Tpost Office Can U Bid Off Your Old Route Then Bid Back on It

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DetroitDogDodger		#1 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:18:48 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 9/28/2014(UTC) Posts: 221 Location: Detroit Was thanked: 6 time(s) in 6 post(s)		I am trying out a new route starting this Saturday and wondering if I will inherit the color of that route or keep my color during the 5 days regarding my off day?

		#2 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:27:50 PM(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Guests Joined: 2/6/2014(UTC) Posts: 33,037 Was thanked: 15 time(s) in 15 post(s)		Originally Posted by: DetroitDogDodger I am trying out a new route starting this Saturday and wondering if I will inherit the color of that route or keep my color during the 5 days regarding my off day? if you won a bid there is no "trying it out" unless you have so much seniority to bid on the next bid sheet and get your old route back.

DetroitDogDodger		#3 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:30:24 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 9/28/2014(UTC) Posts: 221 Location: Detroit Was thanked: 6 time(s) in 6 post(s)		???? Anyone who has ever bid on a route has always been given 5 days to try it out and decide if they want it?

Seadogg		#4 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:36:15 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 10/31/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,006 Thanks: 39 times Was thanked: 644 time(s) in 457 post(s)		What? I have never heard of that.

TEinsanity		#5 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:39:28 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 7/31/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,684 Thanks: 14 times Was thanked: 133 time(s) in 79 post(s)		Originally Posted by: postalvet Originally Posted by: DetroitDogDodger I am trying out a new route starting this Saturday and wondering if I will inherit the color of that route or keep my color during the 5 days regarding my off day? if you won a bid there is no "trying it out" unless you have so much seniority to bid on the next bid sheet and get your old route back. What about retreat rights? You know, the time period carriers are given to retreat back to the route they bid off of if they don't like the new route they've bid on. I just used my retreat rights and went back to my old route last month after carrying the route I bid on for a week.

DetroitDogDodger		#6 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:41:05 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 9/28/2014(UTC) Posts: 221 Location: Detroit Was thanked: 6 time(s) in 6 post(s)		Has always been this way in my district. Anytime a route goes up for bid the person who has the highest seniority is given 5 days excluding their off day which means a full work week to try the route out before they decide if they want to accept the assignment if not it goes to the next person below them.

DetroitDogDodger		#7 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:44:41 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 9/28/2014(UTC) Posts: 221 Location: Detroit Was thanked: 6 time(s) in 6 post(s)		If I am wrong please let me know cause I would like to accept this new route ASAP but am being told I don't start till this Saturday?

Just Rod		#8 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:53:47 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 3/6/2014(UTC) Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 932 times Was thanked: 1062 time(s) in 790 post(s)		Art 41 says... 41.1.A Section 1. Posting A. In the Letter Carrier Craft, vacant craft duty assignments shall be posted as follows: 1. A vacant or newly established duty assignment not under consideration for reversion shall be posted within fourteen calendar days from the day it becomes vacant or is established, unless a longer period of time is negotiated locally. 41.1.B.3 3. The notice shall remain posted for 10 days, unless a different length for the posting period is established by local negotiations. 41.1.C.2 2. Within ten (10) days after the closing date of the posting, the Employer shall post a notice indicating the successful bidder, seniority date and number. 3. The successful bidder must be placed in the new assignment within 15 days except in the month of December. SO, more than likely, your old route will have been posted AND awarded before you even get a chance to try your new rt.

Seadogg		#9 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:03:46 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 10/31/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,006 Thanks: 39 times Was thanked: 644 time(s) in 457 post(s)		Originally Posted by: TEinsanity Originally Posted by: postalvet Originally Posted by: DetroitDogDodger I am trying out a new route starting this Saturday and wondering if I will inherit the color of that route or keep my color during the 5 days regarding my off day? if you won a bid there is no "trying it out" unless you have so much seniority to bid on the next bid sheet and get your old route back. What about retreat rights? You know, the time period carriers are given to retreat back to the route they bid off of if they don't like the new route they've bid on. I just used my retreat rights and went back to my old route last month after carrying the route I bid on for a week. That's not how I've ever heard that term used. Retreat rights mean that if you are excessed from a station, you have first dibs to return to it if another job opens up.

donaldworrell		#10 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:09:39 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 9/19/2013(UTC) Posts: 461 Was thanked: 61 time(s) in 55 post(s)		"retreat rights" are if you moved to another postoffice and want to retreat to your original office. For example I erreasign in June to a new post office. I can say at any time I want to retreat to my original office. I would loose my seniority but could go back. What we are talking about here is bidding routes in an office. You can bid back to your route if you have senority to do it. But it is not your route any more. Unless you have something in your local agreement which states this. What you are saying is not right.

TEinsanity		#11 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:11:20 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 7/31/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,684 Thanks: 14 times Was thanked: 133 time(s) in 79 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Seadogg Originally Posted by: TEinsanity Originally Posted by: postalvet Originally Posted by: DetroitDogDodger I am trying out a new route starting this Saturday and wondering if I will inherit the color of that route or keep my color during the 5 days regarding my off day? if you won a bid there is no "trying it out" unless you have so much seniority to bid on the next bid sheet and get your old route back. What about retreat rights? You know, the time period carriers are given to retreat back to the route they bid off of if they don't like the new route they've bid on. I just used my retreat rights and went back to my old route last month after carrying the route I bid on for a week. That's not how I've ever heard that term used. Retreat rights mean that if you are excessed from a station, you have first dibs to return to it if another job opens up. True. That's how the retreat rights are defined by the book, but since there's not a term for going back to your route in this instance, that's just how our office refers to it.

TEinsanity		#12 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:13:29 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 7/31/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,684 Thanks: 14 times Was thanked: 133 time(s) in 79 post(s)		Originally Posted by: donaldworrell "retreat rights" are if you moved to another postoffice and want to retreat to your original office. For example I erreasign in June to a new post office. I can say at any time I want to retreat to my original office. I would loose my seniority but could go back. What we are talking about here is bidding routes in an office. You can bid back to your route if you have senority to do it. But it is not your route any more. Unless you have something in your local agreement which states this. What you are saying is not right. What we're talking about is going back to your route BEFORE it gets posted for bidding. Obviously, seniority would become a factor once the route is actually posted.

Just Cause		#13 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:33:26 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 5/2/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,666 Thanks: 44 times Was thanked: 393 time(s) in 317 post(s)		Maybe they have it in their local agreement: LMOU
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mnmailman		#14 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:33:40 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 3/8/2015(UTC) Posts: 3,049 Location: Penobscott, Maine Thanks: 1671 times Was thanked: 691 time(s) in 549 post(s)		Wow. I'm amazed any mgr. would put up with that kind of hassle. <g>
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		#15 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:44:59 PM(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Guests Joined: 2/6/2014(UTC) Posts: 33,037 Was thanked: 15 time(s) in 15 post(s)		Originally Posted by: donaldworrell "retreat rights" are if you moved to another postoffice and want to retreat to your original office. For example I erreasign in June to a new post office. I can say at any time I want to retreat to my original office. I would loose my seniority but could go back. What we are talking about here is bidding routes in an office. You can bid back to your route if you have senority to do it. But it is not your route any more. Unless you have something in your local agreement which states this. What you are saying is not right. never heard of voluntary retreat rights. article 12 is for forced moving from your original office and retreating back if a vacancy opens up.

Just Rod		#16 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:05:10 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 3/6/2014(UTC) Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 932 times Was thanked: 1062 time(s) in 790 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Just Cause Maybe they have it in their local agreement: LMOU Lucky them, sounds like their union got a good item in there. I really doubt it's in writing though. Could the time frame work for "trying out", yes...but senior carriers could easily abuse the provision, and then management may exercise the lengthy posting and awarding timeline in the future which would nullify the "trying out". I remember years ago, the senior carrier would do that in my office, because management would award and place on the same day...he would try the route, and when his old route was posted...bid back...he did it a few times, and was warned about the successful bidding limit. Edited by userThursday, August 25, 2016 6:09:54 PM(UTC) |Reason: Not specified

alaskamailman		#17 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:13:34 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 3/14/2014(UTC) Posts: 1,404 Was thanked: 412 time(s) in 298 post(s)		DonaldWorell- If you use Ereasign to voluntarily transfer you do not have retreat rights back to original office. This is if your a carrier, do not know if clerks have this in their contract.

Just Rod		#18 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:28:31 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 3/6/2014(UTC) Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 932 times Was thanked: 1062 time(s) in 790 post(s)		Originally Posted by: TEinsanity Originally Posted by: donaldworrell "retreat rights" are if you moved to another postoffice and want to retreat to your original office. For example I erreasign in June to a new post office. I can say at any time I want to retreat to my original office. I would loose my seniority but could go back. What we are talking about here is bidding routes in an office. You can bid back to your route if you have senority to do it. But it is not your route any more. Unless you have something in your local agreement which states this. What you are saying is not right. What we're talking about is going back to your route BEFORE it gets posted for bidding. Obviously, seniority would become a factor once the route is actually posted. A regular is assigned to a route, and does that route until they are a successful bidder on a different route, and placed on that route. A regular carrier is NOT a PTF/TE/CCA/Casual and must do the assignment that have as their bid. The only option a FTR on a route has, is to opt on a T-6 using Art 25. But that T-6 needs to be open for 5 days or more. I can't see how this "try out clause" would be written into a LMOU.

PBCook		#19 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:56:00 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 7/1/2013(UTC) Posts: 1,010 Thanks: 134 times Was thanked: 291 time(s) in 220 post(s)		In the office I'm in when a route is posted the successful bidder starts on the new route. After the carrier starts on the new route the old route is posted. This gives the carrier a few days at least to try out the new route. Of course there is a chance that someone senior will bid on the old route but if it's a senior person, the route the senior carrier is leaving is probably not a bad route. I actually saw a LMOU that said routes shall be posted "in a timely manner." Unbelievable but that gives a carrier lots of time to bid on their old route if they don't like the new one.

MPE2009		#20 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 3:30:11 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 2/25/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,911 Thanks: 447 times Was thanked: 709 time(s) in 571 post(s)		Originally Posted by: PBCook In the office I'm in when a route is posted the successful bidder starts on the new route. After the carrier starts on the new route the old route is posted. This gives the carrier a few days at least to try out the new route. Of course there is a chance that someone senior will bid on the old route but if it's a senior person, the route the senior carrier is leaving is probably not a bad route. I actually saw a LMOU that said routes shall be posted "in a timely manner." Unbelievable but that gives a carrier lots of time to bid on their old route if they don't like the new one. I've never heard of anything so insane as having a tryout on your new route and "retreat rights" to your old route. That has to be a local agreement. Closest I ever saw was the right of first refusal if you were the high bidder. That must make for an insane amount of time in filling a route.

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Tpost Office Can U Bid Off Your Old Route Then Bid Back on It

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